Simple button to advance cuelist?

[NukeTheFox]

I'd like to use a simple button as a "Go" to advance the steps on a sequence or a chaser.
I know simple buttons are just "toggle". Is there a way to do somethin like this? It'd be very useful...

[MichelSliepenbeek]

If i had the money i would buy a GrandMa.

Attached you will find an example of how i made something simular with QLC and an Elation Midicon.
It all starts with a Cue List and a Fader in Submaster Mode.
The Cue List is controlled by the 3 LoopBack Buttons on the left.

The fader has a Midicon Slider attached as External Control, the Play, Pause and Next Buttons use the A,B and C buttons above that slider as External Control.

Note that the Pause Button works as Top, when the Chaser is not running.

[MichelSliepenbeek]

Use attached Pics as background for the buttons.

[NukeTheFox]

Thanks for the idea... The thing is I don't have any external controller, I have a touch screen where I wanted to put the Virtual Console. I guess, then there is no option to do that with the simple buttons, since they are just toggle...

Something like this is what I wanted to do on the Virtual Console. It would be nice if the buttons had more options to choose between... (just a suggestion ; )

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[MichelSliepenbeek]

The buttons also work on a touch screen.

I should have spent a litlle more time on it however, the buttons do not work if the slider is all the way down.
That is because they are in the same frame as the Submaster.

In this version the Cue List and Slider are in a Frame and the Buttons are placed "on top off" that frame.


Please explain what you expect from the "Learn" button?

[GGGss]

My gust say: learn is to set tempo.
The OP is mimicking a real desk. Top: go to the beginning of the cue stack, Go= proceed one step, slider = set value for (intensity / group / ...) Flash set momentary value for (intensity/group/...) to max. Learn: set tempo.

[MichelSliepenbeek]

I guess, then there is no option to do that with the simple buttons, since they are just toggle...

If you have a closer look to the example, you will notice that the Play, Pause and Next Buttons do use a Sequence which is set up to "Run Once".
So they will only stay ON for the Run Time (in this case 60 mS) and then turn itself OFF.

learn is to set tempo.

Like Please is Enter.

[NukeTheFox]

Okay, let me see if I understood this well...

1. There is a generic dimmer on universe 3.
2. Universe 1 is receiving the Loopback from universe 3.
3. That generic dimmer is in a sequence that goes from 0 to 255.
4. The simple buttons are triggering the sequence.
5. ¿ That sequence is triggering the buttons of the "cue list" widget ?

If this is how it works, it makes a lot of sense, and it is a great idea.

[MichelSliepenbeek]

1. There is a generic dimmer on universe 3.

For Loopback you should use a separate Universe, which in this case is Universe 3.

In this Universe you need to define the channels you are using,.
Most cases you will do this with a Generic Dimmer, but you can also use the Fixture Definition Editor to create specific profiles.
You might want to do this if you want to use specific functions like 16-bit dimming (define a fixture with 2 channels and define them as Coarse and Fine), XY Pad control (define a fixture with 2 channels and define them as Pan and Tilt), Color Selector (define a fixture with 3 channels: R, G and B) etc.
Apart from that you can also use LTP/HTP logic and Channel Modifiers on a loopback channel as if it were "a regular channel".

In order to use the loopback channels as input in another universe and to be able to assign them as External Control, you will also need an Input Profile.
Here you give your loopback channel a "meaningfull" name and you define the Type (Slider or Button).
Notice that if you want to use your loopback channel as a button (which has only 2 values: On and Off), you still need a channel ( with values 0 .. 255).

3. That generic dimmer is in a sequence that goes from 0 to 255.

In most cases it will also work if you use a Simple Scene (that sets the channel to 255), but i have learned that using a sequence with a Low and a High Value is more stable.
It is important to understand that the sequence is defined as "Run Once".


If You add another loopback channel (set it up as a Button) and attach it as External Control to the Tap function of a Speed Dial you have also created your Learn Button.
Like this:

[NukeTheFox]

Thank you so much!

[MichelSliepenbeek]

For some reason the Play and Learn Sequences had more than one Fixture (Loopback Channel) selected.
I noticed this and deleted the unwanted Fixtures, but for some reason they keep coming back.

I deleted those 2 sequences and created them again.
This example should work fine.